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liptonrm_backupSo, it's probably a little inappropriate that I thought about Castiel every time someone said the word "angel" at church today. I don't really think he's the kind of angel they were talking about.
I BLAME YOU FANDOM!!! *snickers*
Wait, that's right, some show that I watch premiered this week. And I have FEELINGS about it. I guess I should share some of those. Also including promo spoilers for next week's episode at the end.
Like, seriously, I have been all over the emotional chart on this episode. Well, I've never hated it (and don't think I ever will), but I've gone from apathy to enjoyment to curled up in bed. So, you know, a fairly normal Show reaction at Casa Lipton. It wasn't a perfect episode and I can see why people are Very Upset (no, I really can, I watched it with![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
baylorsr whose reaction was something like "That was awful. It did every horrible thing I thought it would." So I understand, kind of, why people are upset, I just don't share that same sense of DOOM and DESPAIR.
But I've always been handwave-y and pretty willing to give them the benefit of the doubt while they're telling their story. And will until they let me down and break my heart (which I don't foresee, but you never know).
I got a lot of "Magnificent Seven" flashbacks in this episode, not because they were thematically similar but because it had the same feeling of readjustment; one storyline ended and another is beginning. But even more so than the season three premiere, "Exile on Main Street" felt like a pilot. In a lot of ways the SPN that we've been watching ended with 5x22 and now a new, though very familiar show, is beginning. They had a lot of threads to get through, of both the "setting up" and "tying up" varieties and they did their job in an engaging manner. It was the best pilot I've seen all season (and I've seen a lot of pilots), though I can't speak to its comparative quality as a season premiere since SPN is the only returning fall show I've watched.
I saw someone say that this was an episode that wanted to be a two-parter, and it kind of did. But I can't fault them for plowing through and getting to the new season set-up. I've seen enough two-parters that should've been single episodes and SPN's always been a faster paced kind of show. So, you know, mileage may vary.
I really liked Mo Ryan's recap of the premiere. I especially appreciate her observation of its melancholy nature. It was melancholy, which isn't a tonal quality we've experienced a lot on Show. But it was appropriate. All of the characters have been through so much and they're trying to make the best of what they have left. And life in general isn't puppies and rainbows and trips to Disney World. We live with our regrets and accept the decisions we've made, for better or worse.
I can see why the Sam and Bobby we've known for five years would make the decision not to tell Dean that Sam wasn't in Hell. Do I think it was the "right" decision? No, but I can forgive them for making it. Let's not forget that Sam's coming off an extremely traumatic experience, he was possesed by Lucifer and spent time in Hell. Neither of those were exactly enjoyable and they've left their scars. Sam has his own PTSD to deal with, and one of the ways Sam deals with his emotions is by manifesting control over the world around him. So, yeah, he wanted his brother to be happy and, damnit, Dean was going to be happy. I can even see him portraying in his head as his sacrifice for Dean, that Sam had to do this in order for Dean to have what he's always wanted (though I would argue that "normalcy" wasn't and isn't what Dean's wansts, but rather "family" and "connection").
In addition, Sam's locked a lot of himself away in order to deal with his trauma. No wonder he wanted Dean back at the end of the episode because Dean doesn't put up with his bullshit. For all of the times in fanfiction where we've seen Sam try to make Dean talk about his feelings we've seen the reverse on the show. After Jessica's death it was Dean who sought out Sam, who tried to draw him out and help him reconnect with the world around him. And it's not like the Campbells would be any help in that area, they don't know Sam and they don't realize that the Sam Winchester they've been hunting with is a pale imitation of his former self.
Okay, this is getting really wordy, so let's sum up the rest of my thoughts. I like Lisa, I like that she doesn't roll over for Dean's bullshit but that she also trusts him. I appreciate that she sees the good things in Dean that the rest of us are drawn to, even though he doesn't see them himself. I do want to get to know more about her, as a person, and not just in regards to the man she happens to be living with. And I would be Very Disappointed if they killed her and Ben off, for a lot of reasons which I won't get into here but I'm sure ya'll are familiar with a few of them.
I found the Campbells to be kind of boring, but that's probably my damn own fault so I can't blame them too much for that. I have no clue what to say about Grandpa Samuel being back, though I was kind of peeved when he was being all condescending to Dean about that "wanting to be normal" thing. Come on, jackass, you raised your daughter in suburbia, you have no room to talk. Also, golf is AWESOME so ya'll can shut your pieholes. We're obviously supposed to think there's some off about them and what they're doing, so we'll see what the season brings.
The yorkie bit was HILARIOUS and totally made me realize that there was something from "Yellow Fever" that I actually enjoyed. Which, you know, good job Show! Because I hate that episode (OMG I hate it so much).
In sum: I'm interested to see what the season brings and I do not yet see reason to despair. And next week brings NAKED BABY EATING!!! I'm so glad to see that Sera Gamble is getting back to her roots. Now if only it had zombies we'd be golden. And I can't wait for the Angel to get back. I'm sure he's very busy, but he be away from his bestest boyfriend for too long.
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I BLAME YOU FANDOM!!! *snickers*
Wait, that's right, some show that I watch premiered this week. And I have FEELINGS about it. I guess I should share some of those. Also including promo spoilers for next week's episode at the end.
Like, seriously, I have been all over the emotional chart on this episode. Well, I've never hated it (and don't think I ever will), but I've gone from apathy to enjoyment to curled up in bed. So, you know, a fairly normal Show reaction at Casa Lipton. It wasn't a perfect episode and I can see why people are Very Upset (no, I really can, I watched it with
baylorsr whose reaction was something like "That was awful. It did every horrible thing I thought it would." So I understand, kind of, why people are upset, I just don't share that same sense of DOOM and DESPAIR.But I've always been handwave-y and pretty willing to give them the benefit of the doubt while they're telling their story. And will until they let me down and break my heart (which I don't foresee, but you never know).
I got a lot of "Magnificent Seven" flashbacks in this episode, not because they were thematically similar but because it had the same feeling of readjustment; one storyline ended and another is beginning. But even more so than the season three premiere, "Exile on Main Street" felt like a pilot. In a lot of ways the SPN that we've been watching ended with 5x22 and now a new, though very familiar show, is beginning. They had a lot of threads to get through, of both the "setting up" and "tying up" varieties and they did their job in an engaging manner. It was the best pilot I've seen all season (and I've seen a lot of pilots), though I can't speak to its comparative quality as a season premiere since SPN is the only returning fall show I've watched.
I saw someone say that this was an episode that wanted to be a two-parter, and it kind of did. But I can't fault them for plowing through and getting to the new season set-up. I've seen enough two-parters that should've been single episodes and SPN's always been a faster paced kind of show. So, you know, mileage may vary.
I really liked Mo Ryan's recap of the premiere. I especially appreciate her observation of its melancholy nature. It was melancholy, which isn't a tonal quality we've experienced a lot on Show. But it was appropriate. All of the characters have been through so much and they're trying to make the best of what they have left. And life in general isn't puppies and rainbows and trips to Disney World. We live with our regrets and accept the decisions we've made, for better or worse.
I can see why the Sam and Bobby we've known for five years would make the decision not to tell Dean that Sam wasn't in Hell. Do I think it was the "right" decision? No, but I can forgive them for making it. Let's not forget that Sam's coming off an extremely traumatic experience, he was possesed by Lucifer and spent time in Hell. Neither of those were exactly enjoyable and they've left their scars. Sam has his own PTSD to deal with, and one of the ways Sam deals with his emotions is by manifesting control over the world around him. So, yeah, he wanted his brother to be happy and, damnit, Dean was going to be happy. I can even see him portraying in his head as his sacrifice for Dean, that Sam had to do this in order for Dean to have what he's always wanted (though I would argue that "normalcy" wasn't and isn't what Dean's wansts, but rather "family" and "connection").
In addition, Sam's locked a lot of himself away in order to deal with his trauma. No wonder he wanted Dean back at the end of the episode because Dean doesn't put up with his bullshit. For all of the times in fanfiction where we've seen Sam try to make Dean talk about his feelings we've seen the reverse on the show. After Jessica's death it was Dean who sought out Sam, who tried to draw him out and help him reconnect with the world around him. And it's not like the Campbells would be any help in that area, they don't know Sam and they don't realize that the Sam Winchester they've been hunting with is a pale imitation of his former self.
Okay, this is getting really wordy, so let's sum up the rest of my thoughts. I like Lisa, I like that she doesn't roll over for Dean's bullshit but that she also trusts him. I appreciate that she sees the good things in Dean that the rest of us are drawn to, even though he doesn't see them himself. I do want to get to know more about her, as a person, and not just in regards to the man she happens to be living with. And I would be Very Disappointed if they killed her and Ben off, for a lot of reasons which I won't get into here but I'm sure ya'll are familiar with a few of them.
I found the Campbells to be kind of boring, but that's probably my damn own fault so I can't blame them too much for that. I have no clue what to say about Grandpa Samuel being back, though I was kind of peeved when he was being all condescending to Dean about that "wanting to be normal" thing. Come on, jackass, you raised your daughter in suburbia, you have no room to talk. Also, golf is AWESOME so ya'll can shut your pieholes. We're obviously supposed to think there's some off about them and what they're doing, so we'll see what the season brings.
The yorkie bit was HILARIOUS and totally made me realize that there was something from "Yellow Fever" that I actually enjoyed. Which, you know, good job Show! Because I hate that episode (OMG I hate it so much).
In sum: I'm interested to see what the season brings and I do not yet see reason to despair. And next week brings NAKED BABY EATING!!! I'm so glad to see that Sera Gamble is getting back to her roots. Now if only it had zombies we'd be golden. And I can't wait for the Angel to get back. I'm sure he's very busy, but he be away from his bestest boyfriend for too long.
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Date: 2010-09-30 09:51 pm (UTC)I'm sorry, is that a bad thing? When is thinking about Castiel a bad thing? Oh...right...in church.
I've actually seen a lot of people compare it to the Mag7 episode, but in a negative sense. But I think when you have that much to squeeze in an episode, you're going to get some Eomer moments - but I feel they did a pretty good job not Legolas-ing us over the head with what they were trying to drive home. Although, everytime Grandpa Skinner explained something to Dean, I thought of Zeke Tyler. "Aliens are real. Sorry we killed your friends and drove Casey insane. Here have some horses." Like I said the other day, they could have had less to cram in there if they had left out those pesky cousins.
Why can't our lives just be puppies and rainbows and Disney Land? And Unicorns, don't forget Unicorns!
I agree that Sam is PTSD-ed out all over the place. And yes, Dean is the only person who can bring him out of that, Dean is the only one who knows how. How can Grandpa be expected to understand that something is off with Sam when he doesn't know Sam? I can only hope that Dean will start to realize that Sam needs his help, that something is off, the more Dean gets drawn back into Sam's life - I mean, he has to see that Sam is off once, you know, he stops being so pissed off at Sam for lying to him for a year. I disagree with someone coughbaylorcough, who thinks that this Sam is completely off and that Sera has just fucked him over. He is off, I think that's the point.
I have to disagree on Bobby though, what's up Bobby? Why being such a liarhead? I mean, Sam isn't thinking straight, but you should be, Bobby. You should be. You know what my real problem is...I think I somehow got this idealized view of Bobby that isn't realistic. I expect better from him!
I am so happy at the way they handled Lisa and Dean. I loved the little scene on the stairs at Bobby's. I feel like Dean is actually making a go of this thing with Lisa by trying to be as honest with her as he can - which is a huge deal for Dean. Because he could have told her some bullshit and been all avoidey, but he sat down and really had a real talk with her. I know they won't last, but I kind of love them - and I salute the writers for not just making Dean run out on them - they're his family now too, after all.
I dislike the Cousins more everyday...and it's totally YOUR FAULT! And Baylor's. Screw you guys. Nothing will ever be as good as The Mulvaneys. Why is everyone mocking Dean and his choice to have a normal life? Also, Dean's a better hunter than all y'all, bitches.
But Golf is for pussies. I don't care, bring it. I'm sorry, but I can't get over Jensen's stupid country club shirt from all the pics of him this summer playing golf with his bestest best friend. I wonder if he ever thinks about how his younger self would kick his own ass.
Yellow Fever is the best! What's your problem? I will never understand why you don't love that episode. Technically I understand why you don't like it, but I can't understand why you don't like it.
I'm sure he's very busy, but he be away from his bestest boyfriend for too long.
He be away from my TV for too long!! I miss you, Castiel! Watch as soon as Cas comes back, I'm going to be all, "Screw Lisa, I hate her, Dean/Cas4evah!" like I always am as soon as they are on the screen together. Oh, wait, I know the answer to this...it's called a threesome!